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    Hey, probably a noob question, but this is my first Android and tablet. Is there an anti virus on this as standard or do I need to install one?

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    Antivirus is not included with the A500. There are several available for free in the market and there is some debate as well as to weather they are even necessary. Personally, I installed AVG just to be safe.
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    Thanks, I probably do avg anyway.


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    I use AVG too, just in case. Have had no issues with it and it doesn't seem to slow it down any.

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    There are no viruses for Android.
    You do not need an anti-virus.

    Lookout is a nice package because it can find your tablet when you lose it.

    Other than that, there has never been even one published/documented case of any of these antivirus programs ever detecting a virus or even common
    malware when you install crapp-apps from untrustworthy sources, let alone when you install from the market.

    Gauntlet Thrown:
    Until or unless your favorite Antivirus program actually catches a unknown virus please stop posting FUD about AVG and others. If you need your
    security blanket to sleep at night that's YOUR paranoia. Please stop propagating the MYTH of viruses in Android.

    ยป Why Android Anti-Virus Apps Fail Mobile Privacy & Security
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    In the spirit of adventure and stupidity, I downloaded a .apk from the most questionable source I could find. As soon as I touched the install option in my file manager app, AVG provided me with a handy alert that the .apk in question was infected. Be it a "virus" or "malware" I am not sure. Regardless of what it was, I believe I will keep an anti-virus running on my tab.

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    That's the first warning I've seen from AVG, I guess the sites I go to just aren't nasty enough to get it excited.:rolleyes:
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    Lame. You went looking for a bad file and managed to find one.
    I rather suspect you already knew it was infected ahead of time, probably by Googleing the web.

    You didn't get this from the market, you had to Download it from the web, and you had to Check the box that said Allow Untrusted sources.
    And you STILL haven't found a virus. In fact, it was only malware, not a virus, and it would not affect the Acer.

    Further: Google had removed that app and 57 others like it from the market back in MARCH 2011, and remotely removed it from devices
    that had installed it.

    An Update on Android Market Security - Official Google Mobile Blog
    Google confirms it pulled malicious Android apps | Security - CNET News
    Android Tutorials: May 2011

    And guess what: It didn't even affect your unit. According to Google:
    Furthermore AVG and Lookout failed to recognize this malware, and stop it ahead of time: Quote Lookout:
    Until a developer spotted it, Lookout and the other AV programs were totally clueless.

    If you simply leave "Unknown Sources" Unchecked in the settings, you have all the malware and antivirus protection you need.
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    Wow Icebike, my intention was not to cause you grief. Firstly, yes I used a Google search to find .apk files and no I was not aware that the app was infected at the time of download. In fact, another of the apps I found is still installed and working quite well.

    In response to the rest of your thought out and well written rebuttal to my screen shot, I completely agree that as long as a user obtains apps from only trusted sources that there is absolutely no danger of acquiring viruses or malware. You have obviously done considerable research on this topic and I value you as a respected and knowledgable member of this forum.

    I for one have no intention of unchecking the Trusted Sources box and I will continue to download apps from wherever I can find them. You say that whatever was infecting that .apk was harmless, that it has already been discovered, retracted or deactivated. So be it. Consider this, if that one was able to slip through the market and required Google to do an OTA deactivation then when will the next one slip through?

    Android is an ever growing operating system with more users every day. It is my opinion that with each new user the temptation for programmers and hackers grows as well. When a virus or piece of malware is discovered and blocked by PC antivirus software, the developers don't stop and say oh well. They see a challenge and step up with a new nastier version.

    You choose to not run antivirus apps and that is perfectly acceptable. I choose to have the personal piece of mind that comes with running it.

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    When something does slip thru the market, you can rest assured your AVG won't catch it.

    Google will catch it, remove it from the market, and remotely de-install it before AVG even finds out about it, much less pushes an update out.


    Besides, I already have peace of mind because I have a Tiger Protection Rock in my Garden. And it works. No Tigers ever seen in my garden.
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    This topic has been debated before, it will be debated again. You can run naked through the market all you want. I will wear an AV app. You keep recommending others join the nudist colony. I will keep pointing them in the direction of AV protection.

    See ya 'round sir.

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    Its not what you run on your tablet that bothers me.

    Its that you come here spreading ignorant Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

    Read my lips : Android is not Windows.

    Learn something about operating systems before you climb on your pedestal.
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    To anyone besides Icebike that is interested, I would like to share this. I found it to be well written and quite informative. Hopefully it is not against forum policy to post links to posts on other forums?

    http://androidforums.com/android-ap...ps-avoid-viruses-guide-those-new-android.html

    Icebike, I find your last response to be mildly inflamitory and somewhat rude. There is no reason for this as I have been nothing but respectful in my dealings with you. While I respect the research you have done and the level of knowledge you have gained from it, it it unlikely that I will accept everything you say as gospel truth. I have done research on this topic, and have not found enough evidence to sway my mindset.

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    Sooner or later some git will decide it would be fun to hack Android and find a way to get you, the antivirus will always be a step behind this git... That's the way it works. As long as the antivirus gets the info from some other unlucky person, the next guy will be protected, but someone has to catch the bug before the antivirus knows what to do.
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    My opinion is that an AV program is only needed if you install apk files from non-market sources. Otherwise, you are 99% safe due to Market rules and policies protecting users from people posting harmful apps.

    Other than apks, anything dedigned to hurt Windows can't hurt Android because of system differences. Basically, those nasties can't run on Android.

    I don't run any AV programs and have never had any issues with malware or viruses over the past few years of using Android. To everyone their own though. You can do whatever you want to your tablet since it is your property. Some people just feel safe thinking that they have that extra protection.

    As for Icebike, you just gotta learn to get past his snappy personality. He is not too tolerant of people posting the same questions over and over again, as well as those who can't do simple Google searches. Other than that though, the dude is pretty smart and knows his stuff about computers. ;-)

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    In this context, not a problem. I liked the section on permissions and would recommend that to anyone downloading apps out there.


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    I m using Appriva cloud antivirus its working great for me you should give it a try too its free to download on google play store but if u download stuff only from google play store or trusted parties you dont need antivirus but most of people get viruses when they download stuff from third parties or randomly clicking on links
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    Why cause your tablet grief? Just stop downloading completely because that is the only sure way you'll never get a virus. Icebike is right here on this issue. Learning something about the ANDROID OS is something you should do before having an antivirus. Android Magazine agrees with Icebike, and with me on this issue. In fact their article on this issue is very informative to the layman. My tablet is 2 years old and has never had a virus. So you can all run-around in your straight jackets - it makes no diffs to me.
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    Wow, I never even knew there was an Android Magazine! Digital, no doubt.
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